Islam Conversion in Tunis

Trulymadlydeeply

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#21
There are thousands of Muslim men married to non muslim women.. Not compulsory for the woman to convert.
 

DARK ANGEL

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#22
If i was a man i will never my wife to convert to my religion , religion is something private between Human and His God !
 

stm

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#23
There are thousands of Muslim men married to non muslim women.. Not compulsory for the woman to convert.
This is because they didn't apply Allah's orders (maybe they don't know well about their relegion).In fact they are called Muslims because their origine is , but they don't apply their religion perectly in the Quotidien life.
I gave you the verse and the chapter in the Quran, speaking about this point , you can check it by your self, just look to the english Copie of Quran.
Don't judge islam by referring to muslims ' behaviours, because they do mistakes,but to the Quran and Sunnah .
 

DARK ANGEL

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#24
This is because they didn't apply Allah's orders (maybe they don't know well about their relegion).In fact they are called Muslims because their origine is , but they don't apply their religion perectly in the Quotidien life.
I gave you the verse and the chapter in the Quran, speaking about this point , you can check it by your self, just look to the english Copie of Quran.
Don't judge islam by referring to muslims ' behaviours, because they do mistakes,but to the Quran and Sunnah .
Hi STM , maybe my question looks stupid ; but can you introduce yourself please ?You are from where ?what's your connection with Tunisia?
 

stm

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#25
Hi STM , maybe my question looks stupid ; but can you introduce yourself please ?You are from where ?what's your connection with Tunisia?
I'm Tunsian "Dark Angel"
 

DARK ANGEL

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#26
I'm Tunsian "Dark Angel"
Welcome :) is your wife or girlfriend from the uk ?I mean why you choose to be here :) ?
 

stm

Member
#27
If i was a man i will never my wife to convert to my religion , religion is something private between Human and His God !
Ok this is ur point of view.But here we are speaking about a religion, Muslims need to do that.
 

stm

Member
#28
Welcome :) is your wife or girlfriend from the uk ?I mean why you choose to be here :) ?
I don't have nor a wife nor a girlFriend,, i'm here simply because this site talks about my country.
 

Trulymadlydeeply

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I believe a see a bit of confusion regarding Muslim men marrying women from other faiths. Quoran(2:221) talks about وَلَا تَنكِحُوا۟ ٱلْمُشْرِكَٰتِ حَتَّىٰ يُؤْمِنَّ "do not marry polytheistic women until they believe...". Polytheistic women are ones who believe in multiple deities and those are the ones Muslim men are not allowed to marry. Happy mid- Ramadan's eve to all.

I have read Rabahs explanation, the way I understand it still doesn't state the woman must be Muslim. Do you have a different explanation stm?
 

stm

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#30
Ahhh, i understand u , you spoke about Ahl kitab(the people of the book).Ok in this i'll talk about Muslims who marry a not muslim women.That's true people of the book are not classified as Polytheistic.So in general such a marriage is allowed in islam (BUT she must be "muhsana"=virgin).
But you have to notice that people of the book are people who beleives that there is no God but allah and they beleive in the messengers SEND to Them(you can look to the definition of the people of the book).So If they don't beleive in Mohamed's message this can be tolerated(for the marrage of caurse).But you have to remember that there are Christian who beleive that Jesus is a Gog (so here we speak About "shirk "=Polytheistic, witch make them out of "people of the book" ) and there are Christians that beleive that Jesus is the son of God(this is "Kufr" refering to verse 72-73 chapter 11 (al mayda ) so this also makes them out of people of the book)...In Addition , there "Hadith" of The messengers Mohamed in witch encourages muslim men to marry Muslim women--->! So specialised man in the fields of "hadith" and "fiqh" finish with saying: is allowed to marry a Woman of the book but first we have to check if she is really from "Ahl kitab", but it preferable to marry a muslim woman (to avoid this confusion as called it ).
Maybe i didn't arrive to clarify well for you so you can check this vedeo maybe clarify more than i tried to do )
Happy to discuss with u.i h
 

Trulymadlydeeply

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#31
Thank you for the explanation stm my next question is.....

So why are so many weddings in Tunisia with Tunisian men and foreign women from all different backgrounds. Christian, Catholic, non believers, single mothers (so obviously not virgins!) performed every week. BTW I know you don't make the law just asking you in general lol..

It would not be allowed the other way around, Tunisian woman and foreign man so why the difference? "Mans world, his rules??"
 

stm

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#32
Thank you for the explanation stm my next question is.....

So why are so many weddings in Tunisia with Tunisian men and foreign women from all different backgrounds. Christian, Catholic, non believers, single mothers (so obviously not virgins!) performed every week. BTW I know you don't make the law just asking you in general lol..

It would not be allowed the other way around, Tunisian woman and foreign man so why the difference? "Mans world, his rules??"
First i want to add somethings:
> Muslim who want to marry a not muslim women, it's preferable to teell here about islam,help her to know what muslims beleive in, and when she is convinced that this is the rigth religion to follow request her to convert to islam.This is the rigth way i think.In the place of these men , i would do that, because it's not good and it's not a sollution to "impose" or to push to someone to do somthing whitout being totally convincid about it.,, even in islam , we don't impose to someone to be a muslim (referring to verses 256 chapter 2 (Al baqarah))
>"Virigin" : ok it's a miss-understanding, ok in Quran the word "muhsana" was used many times and in each time has a different meaning(this is The power of the Arabic language) but in this context (marying a non muslim women) the meaning is "Chaste women",that didn't do Adultery,protected herself against sexual perversity,and things like that..
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Now to reply ur second comment:
>You're Rigth,these weddings exists, but they are not conform to Islam,,So why do Tunisian such thing although they are forbidden in Islam ?-->This is for too REASONS. THE FIRST ONE is because these men don't apply Islam "rules let's say" in their quotidian life (there are even Tunisians, supposed to be muslims ,that they don't do the 5 times per day prayer,although they know it's an obligation,,So what would u wait from these persons? to look for a"fatwa" about marrying a non muslim ?).THE SECOND ONE is because maaaany of them don't know very well about their religion , they don't even try to search , they just do prayer and "Zakat" and "sawm" (in ramadhan) and no any more ...In addition to that, Tunisian regime , and till now, and with the help of media, don't give a big importance to Islam as is needed to be, and most of the time are trying to give a bad/false image about it.More then 50 years with these regime and of Distorting islam, such a result is preticted and even waited.
So causes of this disattachement to the islam ,is due to politic conditions ESPECIALLY ,:edia,added to that the neglect of "Sunnah" and "fikh",,
That's why i say always :Don't judge islam by referring to muslims ' behaviours, because they do mistakes,but to the Quran and Sunnah .
>"It would not be allowed the other way around, Tunisian woman and foreign man so why the difference? "Mans world, his rules??"-->i don't know if i understood that, but i think u want to say why there is a difference in the " fatwa" of marring a non muslim for Muslim women(that they want to marry a non muslem man) and muslim men( that they want to marry a non muslim woman),Ok there are reasons without doubt (because every thing forbidden or demanded in islam has a spiritual and scientific reason), this is Allah's wisdom, but Frankly, i don't have any idea right now. :)
I hope i have answered ur Questions.
 
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missmetal

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#33
Again, i think there are plenty that know it and interpret it differntly, or they just choose to liver moderately and not so conservatively, like so many other religions in the world
 

keized

New Member
#34
Ahhh, i understand u , you spoke about Ahl kitab(the people of the book).Ok in this i'll talk about Muslims who marry a not muslim women.That's true people of the book are not classified as Polytheistic.So in general such a marriage is allowed in islam (BUT she must be "muhsana"=virgin).
But you have to notice that people of the book are people who beleives that there is no God but allah and they beleive in the messengers SEND to Them(you can look to the definition of the people of the book).So If they don't beleive in Mohamed's message this can be tolerated(for the marrage of caurse).But you have to remember that there are Christian who beleive that Jesus is a Gog (so here we speak About "shirk "=Polytheistic, witch make them out of "people of the book" ) and there are Christians that beleive that Jesus is the son of God(this is "Kufr" refering to verse 72-73 chapter 11 (al mayda ) so this also makes them out of people of the book)...In Addition , there "Hadith" of The messengers Mohamed in witch encourages muslim men to marry Muslim women--->! So specialised man in the fields of "hadith" and "fiqh" finish with saying: is allowed to marry a Woman of the book but first we have to check if she is really from "Ahl kitab", but it preferable to marry a muslim woman (to avoid this confusion as called it ).
Maybe i didn't arrive to clarify well for you so you can check this vedeo maybe clarify more than i tried to do )
Happy to discuss with u.i h
Dear STM, the Qur'an was revealed in the era where Christian and Jews are just like now. Hence, Ahllul Kitab should refer to the same definition.
 

keized

New Member
#35
Thank you for the explanation stm my next question is.....

So why are so many weddings in Tunisia with Tunisian men and foreign women from all different backgrounds. Christian, Catholic, non believers, single mothers (so obviously not virgins!) performed every week. BTW I know you don't make the law just asking you in general lol..

It would not be allowed the other way around, Tunisian woman and foreign man so why the difference? "Mans world, his rules??"
Because in Islam, the Man is the leader of the family (See : Al Quran AnNisaa:34)
 

stm

Member
#36
Dear STM, the Qur'an was revealed in the era where Christian and Jews are just like now. Hence, Ahllul Kitab should refer to the same definition.
Ok ,Keized,i think you didn't read what i have writen.
ok , people of the book existed in the time of the prophet Mohammed (Salla allaho 3aylayhi wa sallem), Before he was sent they had been BELEIVERs .
Pratically , they(People of The book ) no longer exist , why???
I repeat quickly :p people of the book , don't do "Zina"(Adultery), don't drink , don't hypock,..,they even were" Hijab"...Even with the Version of Bible today, Christians do not follow it,, they do "Zina" and many things forbidden even in bible...
Happy to discuss that whith u. :)
if u are rellay interested , try to refer to some translated explanations of Quran, or a "sheikh"(Estes Yusef)they may explain better than me.
Euuh I'm trying to do my best :p
 

stm

Member
#37
Because in Islam, the Man is the leader of the family (See : Al Quran AnNisaa:34)
THe leader, ok maybe the translation , don't give the meaning exactly,but to understand it more, you have to read about how the married life in islam is organized :)
 

missmetal

Well-Known Member
#38
y(People of The book ) no longer exist , why???
I repeat quickly :p people of the book , don't do "Zina"(Adultery), don't drink , don't hypock,..,they even were" Hijab"...Even with the Version of Bible today, Christians do not follow it,, they do "Zina" and many things forbidden even in bible...
Hahaha, I find this really funny! Since when do any people of any book or religion follow their faith 100% like their prophets? NEVER! And even their prophets questioned and doubted themselves. The practice of religion is between you and God, and since you're judging the people of the book (Christians and Jews) maybe you should look at your own brothers and sisters first and all the shame they bring to the Muslim community. I can throw so many cases of practising mulsims, christians, jews who are committing terrible crimes, not just adultery. They hide behing their veils of religion to give the impression that they are so pious. And then I can show you many who practice the best way they can and they dont need to cover their whole bodies to be good examples of their faith.

These kinds of comments are the ones that really get me going, the sheer arrogance!
 

stm

Member
#39
Hahaha, I find this really funny! Since when do any people of any book or religion follow their faith 100% like their prophets? NEVER! And even their prophets questioned and doubted themselves. The practice of religion is between you and God, and since you're judging the people of the book (Christians and Jews) maybe you should look at your own brothers and sisters first and all the shame they bring to the Muslim community. I can throw so many cases of practising mulsims, christians, jews who are committing terrible crimes, not just adultery. They hide behing their veils of religion to give the impression that they are so pious. And then I can show you many who practice the best way they can and they dont need to cover their whole bodies to be good examples of their faith.

These kinds of comments are the ones that really get me going, the sheer arrogance!
i don't know why u are getting Angry, there is no need for that we are just talking about an islamic Definition of "ahl kitab"
I'm not comparing Muslims to christians or jewish.i'm not a judge here, i juste gave the definition as it's in our relegion.Yes there are " muslims "that do adultery and do more than that ,unfortunately.(and this not my affair here, ), but is that islam? no of caurese .Remember, i'm giving the islamic definition, i'm not giving my point of view .
No one can follow their faith 100% , i 'm totally with.But when i'm speaking about adultry , drinking alcohol, we still under the 20% of following the religion
Nb: in the last comment:i wrote "don't hypock" :i'm sorry here i want to say don't be polytheistic
:)
 

missmetal

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#40
i don't know why u are getting Angry, there is no need for that we are just talking about an islamic Definition of "ahl kitab"
I'm not comparing Muslims to christians or jewish.i'm not a judge here, i juste gave the definition as it's in our relegion.Yes there are " muslims "that do adultery and do more than that ,unfortunately.(and this not my affair here, ), but is that islam? no of caurese .Remember, i'm giving the islamic definition, i'm not giving my point of view .
No one can follow their faith 100% , i 'm totally with.But when i'm speaking about adultry , drinking alcohol, we still under the 20% of following the religion
Nb: in the last comment:i wrote "don't hypock" :i'm sorry here i want to say don't be polytheistic
:)
You explicitly said Christians don't follow it. That is a judgment and hypocritical. You said that people of the book before and at the time of the prophet did not do Zina, which is just ridiculous because of course they did. To say that someone is not a Muslim is not something you can say. If someone practices but commits adultery, they are still Muslim. A Christian committing adultery is still a Christian and therefore your definition cannot determine who is and who is not because they break a religious law. I know English is not your first language but the way you have presented your argument or discussion comes across as hypocritical.
 
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