Does anyone know how to deal with Love Rats/Players/Losers/Bezness boys

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NIEZ

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yes, when someone does it for a living or in a "professional" matter. But nobody would object if you try to find a buyer for one watch, because you are currently in a real bad situation, isn't it? :)

as in every country in the world, you can, of course, also find in tunisia certain places where you can buy almost everything and where the "peddlers" can be found, but from what was said, i did not have the impression that this person opened his jacket and had 100 watches hanging inside <g>, he was just trying to sell one piece. I don't think this is an offense in any country.
yes it was only one watch and one mobile phone that s all.

And then we had the talk all the evening till he get payed from my friend and we left.
 

Nobody

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i sort of agree with you but i am still convinced that they still a minority man if we are talking about the touristic area so they do not represent more then 2 or 3% of tunisian working in this area. Well from this 2 or 3% we will find 90% rats so still a minority.
Right Niez, and this is where we disagree. However, maybe we even don't - because when we define the "average person that a tourist meets" as being most probably one of this 2-3%, then we are lined up.
Because you know as good as me, that a "normal" worker will not do his utmost to come into contact with a tourist and he will not actively attempt all the time to start a relation with them.
 

annibee

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Makes you mad doesnt it tho you'd think that as he was in such a public place the police could do something about it. At least he'd have to suffer something!
I bought my boy a silver chain..I wear the pendant he bought me every day, so if when I go back the chain is missing it'll be "WHERE IS IT!!!" hee hee I can just picture him quaking in his boots..well trainers or flip flops.
But it is disgusting behaviour..its a shame it isnt an offence then you could have reported him.
i bought ammar a silver chain in PEK in june cost 40 dinar, when i went in september, no chain, he told me when he went in shower in fell in bits, so i said you shoild have brought it back with you to take back to shop, but he had trown it away. dont believe him. any thoughts on this?
 

Black Mamba

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Yes, I do generalize because I came to understand that it is a general and not an isolated problem.
You are living in an ivory tower of good family and good education, most probably in the very north of the country, but the people we are talking about here have nothing in common with you, except the nationality. You too need to open your eyes to what is going on in certain parts of the society and with certain groups of people.

I was born in Tunis, raised in Tunis but my parents are from Zarais and I like I said I know about rats,I DO HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE about the matter.
You need to differentiate between "the" tunisian as a whole and "the" tunisian that the average tourist meets and hooks up with. We do not talk about the most honorable farmer who lives 20 miles short of the end of the world, but about people who are attracted by wealth and glitter of the tourist business and want to bite out a big chunk of that.
I know and I'm aware of that.

To be understood right - I do not even blame them, I actually even know some high class bezness people very well and enjoy sitting down with them for a talk.
Hum, I don't despite having half of my family of that kind, too snobbish for my liking.
I am not one of those who say "put them all into jail" or "hang them high". What I do is to try to raise the awareness of people who are dealing with them, to point out different perspectives and views, so that they can face them at a more or less adequate level. And when they are at such a level, it does not concern me the least what they will do then, because they are all adults and what they do, they do by their free will.
Fair enough.
And, btw, those "bezness" people know how I (and others who are active with this topic) think and they do not object at all, they rather say "even better when the Europeans knew, because then it wouldn't be shooting a sitting duck, but more of a challenge".
Every one of us here is mature enough to know what's right and what's wrong.

What I don't like with your posts is how you generalize AGAIN but nevermind.
 

Nobody

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i bought ammar a silver chain in PEK in june cost 40 dinar, when i went in september, no chain, he told me when he went in shower in fell in bits, so i said you shoild have brought it back with you to take back to shop, but he had trown it away. dont believe him. any thoughts on this?
No, your guess is as good as mine. Things CAN become damaged, things CAN get lost, things CAN be sold or given as a present to someone else. It only starts to become strange when it happens more than once or especially with very valueable items...
 

Black Mamba

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Nobody, I can assure you ( and Im sure that you do know) that some "Europeans" are well aware of them but go with the flow to enjoy whatever the rat can give them( love, *** or company).
 

skele

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So what you're saying nobody is that poor people are dumb and unscrupulous but it's the only way they can better themselves and you're more than happy to be friends with these people who use and abuse others for gain because you are above them?!!
 

Nobody

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No, your guess is as good as mine. Things CAN become damaged, things CAN get lost, things CAN be sold or given as a present to someone else. It only starts to become strange when it happens more than once or especially with very valueable items...
There is one thing though, I call it the "unsolved mystery of Tunisia". From my own experiences with my OWN things, I have noticed, that in tunisia, they somehow behave differently. They become more often damaged, they develop more often a malfunction, they are way more accident prone (falling from the table etc.) and they are more likely to be left behind.

In one average year in Tunisia, i break or leave behind more things that I ever did or do in any other country. It certainly is a miracle and I have, up to now, no real explanation for it <g>.

It probably belongs into the same category as why pencils disappear all the time, why bread always falls on the buttered side, or why from 2 socks that you put into a washing machine, only one comes out again.
 

aljaye

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Yes, when someone does it for a living or in a "professional" matter. But nobody would object if you try to find a buyer for ONE watch, because you are currently in a real bad situation, isn't it? :)

As in every country in the world, you can, of course, also find in Tunisia certain places where you can buy almost everything and where the "Peddlers" can be found, but from what was said, I did not have the impression that this person opened his jacket and had 100 watches hanging inside <g>, he was just trying to sell one piece. I don't think this is an offense in any country.

Doesnt matter.
I have never sat in any airport anywhere in the world and had someone come up to me (remember this guy was a stranger to Niez) and offer to sell something. One item or a hundred. And no security guard in any public place of that kind in Britain would leave them alone to do it if you objected. Yes there are places where you can buy things but you go there looking, they dont approach you on an evening out with your friends. They'd be escorted off the premises. In a local Pub yes you may get someone selling cigarettes etc but not in an Airport.
 

aljaye

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It has foremost nothing to do with an indivual, but more with probabilities. Tunisia has, as every other country too, regions that are more or less rich, more or less developed, more or less tolerant, more or less traditional.

When you talk to tunisians, you will see that an "average" person from Gafsa or Kairouan, just to name an example, has a different way that a person from Sfax (those are very famous actually) or from Tunis. There are in Tunis poor and uneducated or socially questionable persons as well as there are professors, rich people and people with high values in Gafsa, but the probability that you see either, is simply higher in a region with a better infrastructure and with more education options. The "experiences" and "tolerance" towards other cultures is higher in a region where you can find more people of such other cultures and the understanding of "starnge" ways of thinking is better in regions where it is likely that you see one of those each day on the streets.

I think you understand what I mean. When you look at the UK - would you say that London has the same kind of people as Cardiff? Or Manchester, or Edinburgh?
Yes they are differences but if one moved to a different area he wouldnt suddenly lose his moral upbringing thats for sure, hed be who he or she was and absorb into the area..not start looking for the nearets rip off because that was what was going on! Its a thing specific to the person not the area..
 

aljaye

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i bought ammar a silver chain in PEK in june cost 40 dinar, when i went in september, no chain, he told me when he went in shower in fell in bits, so i said you shoild have brought it back with you to take back to shop, but he had trown it away. dont believe him. any thoughts on this?

It probably did break hon..after all you arent really supposed to wear them in the shower! And you dont know how good the workmanship was. So give him the benfot of the doubt..just next time give him something he cant break..like a black eye!! lol
I know what you mean Ill be questioning if the chain has gone or a walk..but then if I was broke and looking for my rent I'd sell stuff as well.
 

newtosousse

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But not in a public place. Its called "hawking" or "peddling" and people get moved on in a lot of countries for doing so and its an offence. Especially when Niez was just having a drink with his friends! To approach people like this in the UK you have to be working on behalf of a charity and carry a ID card. You can't just walk up to a total stranger and say "Want to buy a watch?"
Plus this was the airport, a showcase for Tunisia..one of the places where people make their first and last impressions so it should be an offense for him to do this however he got them.

Im also interested in your statement that maybe in the North it doesnt happen..
So when a person working say in PEK is originally from a village in the North do they lose their family morals when they move to find work and try and give themselves and their family a better life! You don't seem to have any faith in your countrymen at all!
I was in a shop in West London yesterday, and two boys came in trying to offload some Ipods. Off the back of a lorry, it seemed.

I have seen this a lot in London, in shops, and at markets, but never heard of it happening at an airport.
 

Nobody

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So what you're saying nobody is that poor people are dumb and unscrupulous but it's the only way they can better themselves and you're more than happy to be friends with these people who use and abuse others for gain because you are above them?!!
I do not befriend them <g>, I just sit down as I would sit down with anyone in any country, because when you want to understand someone, you have to talk with him. I sit down, and by far not only in Tunisia, with professors, with politicians, with farmers, with prostitutes, with teachers, with criminals, with everyone who seems to have information that I would like to hear.
It is debateable, though, whether it is a better method not to talk with people at all or to talk with them and tell them your view on an issue. I prefer the latter, because when you talk to someone, it makes you think and it makes the other think as well and requires a constant update of opinions and views.

Oh, and BTW, for the people were are talking about it is not "the only way to better their situation", because almost all of them do it for greed, not because they are poor!
 

newtosousse

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i bought ammar a silver chain in PEK in june cost 40 dinar, when i went in september, no chain, he told me when he went in shower in fell in bits, so i said you shoild have brought it back with you to take back to shop, but he had trown it away. dont believe him. any thoughts on this?

You know him better, but if I was in your shoes I would believe him. I lose chains all the time. They drop off, break. My mother has bought me several gold chains to the point she has given up. I don't sell them, I just lose them easily.
 

Nobody

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if I was broke and looking for my rent I'd sell stuff as well
a personal present or a memory item? I am not so sure that many people would do that, no matter how bad their situation is. But then again, I have heard of people selling their marriage ring...
 

Nobody

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Yes they are differences but if one moved to a different area he wouldnt suddenly lose his moral upbringing thats for sure, hed be who he or she was and absorb into the area..not start looking for the nearets rip off because that was what was going on! Its a thing specific to the person not the area..
Think about how children come to behave very different when their peer group is explicitely or implicitely pressuring them. In a society where it is important what other people think about you, you will, in your own interest, try to blend in rather than sticking out.

I do not say it is wrong what you say, but consider these arguments as well. :)
 
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NIEZ

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I am not discussing the place where we met bcs is not important if you look to my post you will see that he was there as a simple coincidence so he was saying good bye to his girl and we was there for a drink he just notice it that we are buying an expensive drinks and of course he is looking for the opportunity's that s why he was talking to us.

Nobody they are to many in one place in small area but they are a minority in tunisia, i agree with you that who come to stay in hotels are so exposed to meet this kind of man but i must say that not all of them are rats i know many people working in this area and they are really pro they are working in hotels bcs is the job they do the best. So not every woman who have a relationship with some body working in hotels or entertainment is facing a rat. Every body must trust his judgement, we are all mature as said bm.

Aljaye if some body grow into a family who respect moral so he will not lose them wherever he go.
 

sianperkins89

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i kind of get what u mean about 'blending in' but i think theres a big difference in wearing the 'newest trainers' for example to becoming a thief and a rat ...stealing, conning and deceiving women....... people know the difference between right and wrong if they have been raised that way. they cant just 'turn bad' coz all the other guys their age are being bast*rds too!
 

the highlander

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reply to black mamba

hi there
i can see why you want to defend your country, but people do generalise because we dont know everybody from every country or culture
we read things and see things and sometimes that leads to the wrong idea forming in peoples heads
take the scots ok i am one
but we all know that the general pic of a scot is a kilt wearing ginger haired beared whiskey drinking person that is tight with his money
in truth it is so far off the mark but what do we scots do lol we make fun of it
also i heard something the other night and thought mmmm aye that could be right
a friend of mine from the west indies said "yes you bloody scots could you not keep it in your pants lol you and the bloody irish i think you populated the world"
i laughed and thought yes i suppose u got a point
people will reflect on those they meet so if you meet a nice pleasent person thats friendly and a local you come away with 1 opinion
and like wise if the only people you meet is the "rat" then your opinion will be skewed that way
as i have said before if people go out to any country educated then ok
but those and yes its their fault, cause they go on holiday thinking its costa brava but cheaper they see sun sea and ***, but thats a problem that european woman have to face because they are to loose with their morals (god i will get shot for that lol but its true from going topless to having *** )
but the ones that get caught through no fault of their own i feel for
all the best
the highlander
 
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NIEZ

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i kind of get what u mean about 'blending in' but i think theres a big difference in wearing the 'newest trainers' for example to becoming a thief and a rat ...stealing, conning and deceiving women....... people know the difference between right and wrong if they have been raised that way. they cant just 'turn bad' coz all the other guys their age are being bast*rds too!
i agree with you that s my point.:)
 
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